church issues Archives — Jimmy Larche https://jimmylarche.breakawayoutreach.com/tag/church-issues/ Abiding in Him Weekly Devotional Wed, 14 Dec 2022 20:51:11 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 https://jimmylarche.breakawayoutreach.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/cropped-2024-Jimmy-Larche-logo-aih-32x32.png church issues Archives — Jimmy Larche https://jimmylarche.breakawayoutreach.com/tag/church-issues/ 32 32 Missional or Discipleship Problem in the Western Church? https://jimmylarche.breakawayoutreach.com/discipleship-missional-church-mike-breen/ Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:23:09 +0000 http://www.jimmylarche.com/?p=6246 If you know how to disciple people well, you will always get mission. Somewhere along the way we started separating being “missional” from being a disciple.

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In his book Building a Discipling Culture, Mike Breen explains that we don’t have a missional problem in the Western church, but a discipleship problem.

Effective discipleship builds the church, not the other way around. We need to understand the church as the effect of discipleship and not the cause. If you set out to build the church, there is no guarantee you will make disciples. It is far more likely that you will create consumers who depend on the spiritual services that religious professionals provide.

Now one of the buzzwords around today is the word “missional.” People want to create missional churches or missional programs or missional small groups.

The problem is that we don’t have a “missional” problem or a leadership problem in the Western church. We have a discipleship problem. If you know how to disciple people well, you will always get mission. Always. You see, somewhere along the way we started separating being “missional” from being a disciple, as if somehow the two could be separated. Pastors started saying they didn’t want to be inwardly-focused so they stopped investing in the people in their churches so they could focus on people outside their churches.

Granted, we should focus on people who don’t know Jesus yet, but Jesus himself gave us the model for doing that: Disciple people. If you know how to actually make disciples, you’ll reach people who don’t know Jesus. Because that’s simply what disciples do. That was Jesus’ whole plan. If you disciple people, as these people do mission in their everyday comings and goings, with the work and shaping of the Spirit, the future of the church will emerge.

We don’t have A “missional” problem. We Have A discipleship Problem.

Challenging thoughts!

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